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Post by a.p.k. » Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:49 am

As much as I love this movie, I can't watch it anymore. Mel's antics have totally ruined any of his movies for me. Which is a shame. I liked a lot of his movies. But now I see them and I can't hear what he's saying; can only hear his rants about whatever he's chosen to rant about lately, and then can't even look at him.


A shame. I tried to watch it the other day. Not hard to watch Mr. I's parts, at least. But the whole movie, it's ruined for me. :(


I'd bought his apology a few years back over all the anti-Semitic ranting. Watched him with Diane Sawyer and felt ... mollified. But now feel like I was duped for having fallen for it.




I guess he got away with it when he'd made those comments 20 years ago about gay folks because, well, back then there was no Internet to ensure we all could hear the tapes. But now ...

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Post by kjshd05 » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:32 am

marilaine, here is the amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-All-Reason ... 452&sr=1-6

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Post by Angel Tavington » Mon Jul 12, 2010 8:57 am

A shame. I tried to watch it the other day. Not hard to watch Mr. I's parts, at least. But the whole movie, it's ruined for me. :(
I've never been a fan of Mel...but I still find this movie fantastic. Anyway, you can always fast forward to the scenes you like (JI scenes, that is) :brows

And thank you, Kim. I was trying to find the link to it.



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Post by marilaine » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:17 am

kjshd05 wrote:marilaine, here is the amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-All-Reason ... 452&sr=1-6
Thanks, Kim. Will have to see about ordering it. *fingerscrossed*

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Villains you should root for

Post by Chari910 » Sun Jul 18, 2010 8:35 am

In honor of the pro-Villain movie Despicable me, we've listed some of the villains that we think aren't just threatening or scary or effective, but actually better characters than their story's heroes. They've got enough depth, or at least enough potential, to carry a film on their own, without any boring goodie-two-shoes bringing them down.

The Patriot – Col. Tavington

Jason Isaacs is one of those actors who always gets cast as a villain, and it's easy to see why, since he's turned arrogant smirking into an art form. But even for villain in a Mel Gibson film, Col. Tavington is completely over-the-top, mustache-twirling evil. It seems particularly out of place in The Patriot, because it's historical fiction and it's not like the Revolutionary War is one of those obscure wars everyone forgets about (sorry, Spanish-American). It ends up working against the film's intentions; Tavington spends so much time and effort being dastardly that you almost start admiring him for his hard work. (Avatar has a similar issue with Col. Quaritch) plus, Mel Gibson's ongoing antics make it difficult to cheer him on in any film, so watching Jason Isaacs antagonize him for two hours can be pretty cathartic.
From http://www.celebritysentry.com/actors/k ... -root-for/

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Post by grannybear » Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:41 am

Oh, Char...I like that quote. It really does Jason proud.

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Post by marilaine » Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:33 am

But, even for a villain in a Mel Gibson film.....

I keep saying, 'there's more to THE PATRIOT than that tosser Mel Gibson'.

TAVINGTON RULES 'THE PATRIOT' :furthermore

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Post by wolfsaver » Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:52 pm

Yeah, the movie should have been called 'The Colonel'...

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Post by Hilary the Touched » Wed Jul 21, 2010 5:29 pm

I agree-Mel's recent "antics" have rather coloured any current viewing experiences . . . :???:
*enough with the torturing already!*

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Post by marilaine » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:14 am

I have this notion to cover up Mel's picture on the cover sheet with Jason's.

I'd recall it, TAVINGTON and THE PATRIOT.

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Post by Angel Tavington » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:22 am

Not a bad idea...how about a new cover? :

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215 ... Dcover.jpg

(found this somewhere a while ago, I have no credit for it)




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Post by grannybear » Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:27 am

Love it!

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Post by fruitbat » Mon Aug 02, 2010 12:41 pm

I don’t know if this book has been mentioned up thread, but I discovered it on my Chapters wishlist and added it to my last order: The Lives Of Banastre Tarleton And Mary Robinson.

Without giving too much away in case anyone else has this on her to-read list, here are my thoughts. Image

Most chapters focussed on one or the other, Banastre or Mary. His early chapters, (it seemed like much of the book) dealt with his military campaigns in the revolutionary war. I skipped over them, frankly. (My sister noted how laboured my reading of this was and kept asking if I had given it up yet. Perhaps it wasn’t the best choice for a vacation read. Image ) In some cases, a battle or situation was described after which the author wrote, “Perhaps Tarleton was there.” I felt that was cheating, although I suppose those passages may have served the function of giving the context of the times.

Tarleton was despised in the colonies/US but considered a hero in England, which makes sense. Among the things I learned, he fought (politically, not militarily) against
Wilberforce’s struggle to abolish the slave trade. The charmer. It also mentions an early friendship with
John Graves Simcoe. This interested me personally as Simcoe later became the first Lieutenant Governor of Upper Canada, now the province of Ontario. As LG, Simcoe outlawed slavery in Upper Canada. Today, (literally, today, the first Monday in August) there is a civic holiday in Canada, known in Toronto as “Simcoe Day”.

Mary’s chapters actually interested me more as I had read a bio of the
Duchess of Devonshire and was somewhat familiar with that period in history and recognised many of the famous names.

One last, pernickety criticism; the use of exclamation marks seemed a little juvenile for a biography!

My recommendation, in short; don’t bother.

Note: Obviously I was interested in this book as Tarleton is said to be the inspiration for Tavvy. Another book, which arrived in the same order from Chapters, was

The Blair Years
Campbell is said to be the inspiration for Malcolm Tucker, my favourite character from The Thick of It
This one was definitely not vacation reading. Image

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Post by Angel Tavington » Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:00 pm

I received my books today...woohooo :woot
They arrived sooner than I expected- and my pile of books just keeps growing :))



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Post by Hilary the Touched » Mon Aug 02, 2010 8:08 pm

Fruitbat, goodonyer for completing the slog!
In some cases, a battle or situation was described after which the author wrote, “Perhaps Tarleton was there.” I felt that was cheating
I'll say--especially since I suspect there's pretty decent documentation for actions in which he DID participate. He wasn't shy about tooting his own horn; I have a London newspaper dated 1778, I think, which quotes a dispatch from him. In it he does mention burning civilian buildings (though never occupied churches!!), because there were 'insurgents' using them--he blamed the Rebels for this behaviour.
As for his defense of slavery, it's not really surprising--he served many years, I think, as MP for Liverpool--an important port which relied financially on the slave trade. His constituents stood to lose a great deal if slavery were outlawed. :-|

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